网友讨论：丰田新开发的电动车电池0到100%的充电时间仅为10分钟，续航500km
Toyota claims that its newly developed batteries can enable a maximum EV range of 500km in one full charge, and a zero to 100% charging time of just 10 minutes
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据《日经亚洲》(Nikkei Asia)报道，这家日本汽车制造商计划成为本世纪第一家销售固态电池动力电动汽车的公司，并将于2021年推出一款原型车。丰田承诺，这种新型电池“不仅将改变电动汽车的规则，而且将改变整个行业的规则。”
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Toyota set to roll out its revolutionary solid-state battery in 2021
丰田将于2021年推出革命性的固态电池
According to Nikkei Asia, the Japanese carmaker plans to be the first to sell solid-state battery-powered EVs this decade, and that it will be unveiling a prototype in 2021. Toyota promises that the new battery will “be a game-changer not just for electric vehicles, but for an entire industry.”
据《日经亚洲》(Nikkei Asia)报道，这家日本汽车制造商计划成为本世纪第一家销售固态电池动力电动汽车的公司，并将于2021年推出一款原型车。丰田承诺，这种新型电池“不仅将改变电动汽车的规则，而且将改变整个行业的规则。”
据《日经亚洲》(Nikkei Asia)报道，这家日本汽车制造商计划成为本世纪第一家销售固态电池动力电动汽车的公司，并将于2021年推出一款原型车。丰田承诺，这种新型电池“不仅将改变电动汽车的规则，而且将改变整个行业的规则。”
So, what’s up with all the hype, then? Well, solid-state batteries are expected to become a viable alternative to the usual lithium-ion units that we see in most electric vehicles today. These new power packs offer greater energy density as well as lower risks of fire.
那么，这些炒作是怎么回事呢?固态电池有望成为当今大多数电动汽车中常见的锂离子电池的可行的替代品。这些新的电源组提供了更大的能量密度以及更低的火灾风险。
那么，这些炒作是怎么回事呢?固态电池有望成为当今大多数电动汽车中常见的锂离子电池的可行的替代品。这些新的电源组提供了更大的能量密度以及更低的火灾风险。
Toyota claims that its newly developed batteries can also enable a maximum EV range of 500km in one full charge and a zero to 100% charging time of just 10 minutes, “all with minimal safety concerns.” The carmaker adds that with these new batteries, its EVs will boast a maximum range that’s double of what it would have been able to achieve with a traditional lithium-ion battery—and this is achieved without legroom being compromised to accommodate a larger battery pack.
丰田声称，其新开发的电池在一次充满电的情况下可以使电动汽车最大行驶里程为500公里，零到100%的充电时间仅为10分钟，“所有这些都不存在任何安全隐患。” 该汽车制造商补充说，使用这些新电池，其电动汽车的最大续航里程将是传统锂离子电池的两倍，而且这是在不牺牲腿部空间以容纳更大的电池组的情况下实现的。
丰田声称，其新开发的电池在一次充满电的情况下可以使电动汽车最大行驶里程为500公里，零到100%的充电时间仅为10分钟，“所有这些都不存在任何安全隐患。” 该汽车制造商补充说，使用这些新电池，其电动汽车的最大续航里程将是传统锂离子电池的两倍，而且这是在不牺牲腿部空间以容纳更大的电池组的情况下实现的。
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Thought it was 500 miles at first, then realized it was kilometers. Sadness.
开始以为是500英里，后来意识到是公里，伤心。
The charge time is irrelevant if the grid doesn't support it. Things done a in a lab do not always equal mass production potential. Still super cool though.
如果电网不支持充电，充电时间就无关紧要了。在实验室里做的事情并不总是意味着有大规模生产的潜力。不过还是超级酷的。
TSLA down 2.9%. Well, if the markets believed Toyota, TSLA would be down more than that.
If true, solid state batteries and super fast chargers would make electricity guzzlers feasible.
特斯拉销售量下降了2.9%。好吧，如果市场相信丰田的话，TSLA的跌幅还会更大。
如果这是真的，固态电池和超高速充电器将使耗电装置具有可行性。
Fast-charge stations would have to be set up with large buffer batteries, like Tesla’s superchargers.
快速充电站必须配备大型缓冲电池，就像特斯拉的超级充电站一样。
I think current EV biggest problem is charging time. 10min would be amazing even if its 200-300km.
我认为目前电动汽车最大的问题是充电时间。即使是200-300公里，10分钟的充电时间也是惊人的。
zero to 100% charging time of just 10 minutes, “all with minimal safety concerns.”
零到100%的充电时间只要10分钟，“完全没有安全隐患。”
That sound impressive but would be more impressive is how you can get that energy delivered into the car, you must have it plugged into a personal substation next to your house.
这听起来令人印象深刻，但更令人印象深刻的是你如何将能量输送到汽车中，你必须把它插入你家附近的变电站。
800km/500 miles per charge is what we're waiting for, in the US you might drive over 300 miles before finding a charger if you're traveling through the midwest.
800公里/500英里的续航里程是我们期待的，在美国，如果你在中西部旅行，你可能要开300多英里才能找到充电器。
I dont believe it before i see it.
在看到实物之前我是不会相信的。
There are lots of battery technology better than what we use now, but the question is; can you scale up the manufacturing capability to what is needed? The chemistry is simple. implementing the chemistry is the difficult part because the world needs a SHIT TON of batteries.
有很多电池技术比我们现在使用的更好，但问题是；你们能把这种电池的生产能力扩大到所需要的程度吗? 化学反应很简单，但实施化学反应是困难的，因为这个世界需要大量的电池。
If only they could make a phone with those batteries...
要是他们能用这些电池来制造手机就好了……
If any of that is true I don't want to be anywhere near one of those things when it's pluged in.
如果这些都是真的，当它被插进去充电的时候，我可不想靠近这些东西。
It’s funny. People used to refuse to drive ICEs because they ran on gasoline and thought they’d blow up. It’s the exact same thing, a hundred years later.
这很有趣。人们过去拒绝驾驶汽车，因为他们带着汽油跑，认为他们会爆炸。同样的事情一百年后又发生了。
Let's say it's 2035, more than half of the countries cars are now EV's. Imagine the stress on the power grid when millions of people plug in their car at the same time each pulling 600kwh.
假设现在是2035年，超过一半的国家都是电动汽车。想象一下，当数百万人同时给他们的汽车充电，每个人都要消耗600千瓦时的电能时，电网会承受多大的压力。
If you got a 10min 0-100% charge battery, your battery business can be as vibrant as your auto business.
如果你有一个10分钟100%充电的电池，你的电池业务可以像你的汽车业务一样充满活力。
If this is true I’m now interested in buying an EV.
如果这是真的，我现在有兴趣购买电动汽车。
Electric vehicle advances are sure to come quite regularly as more and more electric vehicles hit the roads. Which is all to the good!
随着越来越多的电动汽车上路，电动汽车的进步肯定会非常有规律，这一切都很好!
500km of range is great, inline with some petrol vehicles, but it isn’t anything to write home about. 0-100 charge in 10 minutes though, that’s extraordinary.
500公里的续航里程很不错，与一些汽油车配合使用，但这并不是什么值得一提的，在10分钟内充满100％的电，这太惊人了。
Usually you'll pay 1/5th of your fuel costs in an EV compared to a gasoline car. Could change with prices and taxes of course. Fast charging is more expensive than charging at home. So probably less of a gap, but i expect it to be quite a bit cheaper still. Most people only fast charge on road trips, so that makes it less of a concern.
一般来说，电动汽车的费用是汽油车的五分之一。当然会随着价格和税收的变化而变化。快速充电比在家充电更贵。所以差距可能会更小，但我预计还是会更便宜一些。大多数人只在公路旅行中快速充电，所以这就不那么令人担心了。
Would that be 1/5th of fuel costs in the US? (you said gasoline). If so, that's like 1/10th (or even less) in UK/Europe, which is simply amazing!!
Yes I wonder what will happen to electricity prices, once EV become mainstream.
Are all EV less prone to breakdowns, etc? I remember reading that Tesla uses less moving parts or something and that, as a result, its less prone to breakdowns. Then again, I suppose parts and specialised mechanics mean they are more expensive to fix....
这将是美国燃料成本的五分之一吗?(你说汽油)。如果是这样的话，大约是英国/欧洲的十分之一(甚至更少)，这简直太令人惊讶了!!
是的，我想知道一旦电动汽车成为主流，电价会发生什么变化。
是否所有电动车都不太容易发生故障等等? 我记得读到过特斯拉使用较少的移动部件之类的东西，因此，它不太容易发生故障。不过，我想这些零部件和特殊的机械结构意味着它们的修理成本更高
Gotta wonder if there's a capacitor in there or something
我想知道里面是不是有个电容器什么的
As Tesla has demonstrated, the issue isn't the battery tech. It's the cost of it. I would be far more excited if they announced a record low cost per KW battery, as that would actually shake up the EV market
正如特斯拉所证明的那样，问题不在于电池技术。这是成本问题。如果他们宣布每千瓦电池的成本创历史新低，我会更加兴奋，因为这将撼动电动汽车市场
Add this battery to chinese $2,000 ev cars giving them a ten minute recharge and 500km range.
将这种电池增加到优德棋牌官方下载2000美元的电动汽车上，充电10分钟，行驶500公里。
Big if true, but cost is still the deciding factor here. I want an EV, but they're still too cost prohibitive for me and I'm making $50k/year. Even the subsidies and tax breaks don't really drive it down substantially enough.
如果这是真的，那就太好了，但成本仍然是决定因素。我想要电动汽车，但对我来说价格还是太高了，我一年挣5万美元。即使是补贴和税收减免也不足以使其价格大幅下降。
10 minutes is incredible. My phone takes 4 hours for a full charge
10分钟是不可思议的。我的手机充满电需要4个小时
This is really the only thing I'm waiting for with EV-tech, better batteries.
这真的是我唯一在等待的电动汽车技术，性能更好的电池。
There's always posts like this, meanwhile Tesla has over a million cars on the road, with zero actual competition
与此同时，特斯拉有100多万辆汽车在路上行驶，却没有真正的竞争对手
yet Toyota is still trying to push the hydrogen-powered Mirai on us!
然而，丰田仍在试图将氢动力汽车Mirai推向我们!
This is very exciting if it's true, hopefully it's affordable once it become available to the public
如果这是真的，这是非常令人兴奋的，希望一旦它成功，公众能够负担得起
Toyota had no EV plans and was surely to fall behind real automotive companies like Tesla and Nio
丰田没有电动汽车计划，肯定会落后于特斯拉和蔚来等真正的电动汽车公司
I could also make this claim, doesn't mean it's true.
Where's the actual product and what's the real 0-100% charging time? Cos I can guarantee it won't be 10 minutes (which is also still too long btw)
我也可以这样说，但这并不意味着它是正确的。
真正的产品在哪里?真正的0-100%充电时间是多少? 因为我保证不会超过10分钟(顺便说一句，这也太长了)
Sure, let me just plug that directly in to the local nuclear power station...
当然，让我直接把它连接到当地的核电站…
Honestly, I always knew Toyota was going to dominate the ev market. They just need time. They make too much money from selling cars that run on gas so their main focus was staying there. They are no starting to put more and more money and attention for the ev market and look at what they doing. Tesla is making the money right now but once Toyota starts selling these batteries and start putting them in cars that seep for less then 30,000 or 40,000 they are going to start to take big chucks out of tesla market share.
老实说，我一直都知道丰田将主宰电动汽车市场。他们只是需要时间。他们从销售燃油汽车中赚了太多的钱，所以他们的主要目标还是在燃油汽车上。他们开始没有投入越来越多的资金和关注电动车市场，看看他们现在正在做什么。特斯拉现在是赚钱的，但一旦丰田开始销售这些电池，并开始把它们安装到汽车上，以低于30,000或40,000的价格出售，他们将开始使特斯拉的市场份额大幅下降。
None of this is real. They don't actually have a product because they can't make it. They simply want their investors to believe that they have something. Seems it is working for you. Why don't you ask them to give you a test drive?
这些都不是真的。他们实际上没有产品，因为他们不能生产。他们只是想让投资者相信他们有实力。看来对你起作用了。你为什么不让他们给你试驾一下?
You know, you are spamming this all over the thread, and I am curious if you have any real evidence to back that up.
Toyota is a known leader in solid-state batteries and has been prototyping these for quite some time. In the summer, they reduced charge times to 15 minutes. They also hold the greatest number of patents on solid state batteries - because they have been ahead on the development for years now.
So you got some evidence of them completely lying in the past, and of course their investors abandoning them, right?
你知道，在这个帖子里到处都是垃圾信息，我很好奇你是否有任何真实的证据来支持这一点。
丰田公司是固态电池领域的知名领导者，并已经进行了相当长一段时间的固态电池原型车设计。在夏天，他们将充电时间减少到15分钟。他们还拥有最多的固态电池专利——因为他们已经在电池发展中领先多年了。
所以你有证据表明他们过去完全在撒谎，然后他们的投资者抛弃了他们，对吗?
That's actually perfect solution for all parties. Gas stations can invest in high power chargers, build some business around it, that solves the charging network - the biggest issue buyers have with electric vehicles.
Personally 10 minutes or less is the limit I am happy at to wait at the charging station.
这实际上是各方的完美解决方案。加油站可以投资高功率充电器，围绕它建立一些业务，从而解决充电网络问题——这是买家对电动汽车最大的问题。
就我个人而言，10分钟或更短的时间是我在充电站乐意等待的极限。
This isn't some startup looking for VC money or a university laboratory experiment. This is one of the largest automakers in the world saying they'll have a revolutionary new battery ready by next year. I think that's believable.
这不是一家寻求风险投资或大学实验室实验的初创公司。这是世界上最大的汽车制造商之一，他们将在明年推出革命性的新电池。我认为这是可信的。
Mm, interesting. Toyota had bad relationship with all-electric vehicles for years and its promise of hydrogen has fell apart while still refusing a commitment to going oil-free until it saw a news of solid-state battery. I'll stick to Honda or Ford or Chevy or whoever is concerned about the future.
嗯，有意思，多年来，丰田与全电动汽车的关系一直不佳，而且在固态电池出现之前，它对氢动力汽车的承诺已经落空，而且仍拒绝承诺不使用燃油汽车。我会选择本田、福特、雪佛兰，或者任何关心未来的公司。
This seems too good to be true. Why wouldnt Elon have already explored this option? I mean if this tech is better than current tech I am thinking Tesla would adopt it and blow toyota out of the water.
这似乎好得令人难以置信。为什么埃隆不探索这个项目呢?我的意思是，如果这项技术比目前的技术更好，我认为特斯拉会采用它，把丰田打败。
Some Chinese mobile company gonna put that charger in their next phone.
一些优德棋牌官方下载移动公司会在他们的下一款手机上安装这种充电器。
That seems like a HUGE leap...and honestly that charge time would require some insane chargers, which seems pretty dangerous to be putting into a consumers hands. Still, I hope they at least have something that can compete with Tesla. I’m all for a bit of competition driving innovation.
这似乎是一个巨大的飞跃……老实说，这样的充电时间需要一些疯狂的充电器，如果把它交到消费者手中，这似乎是非常危险的。不过，我还是希望他们至少有可以与特斯拉竞争的产品。我完全支持通过竞争来推动创新。
Thats great, please stop making hybrids and start making this.
太好了，请停止生产混合动力车，开始生产这样的电动车。
If this is true, then EVs will take over the world in the next few years (which of course is going to happen but this confirms it). Range and charge time were the biggest drawbacks to EVs.
如果这是真的，那么电动汽车将在未来几年接管世界(这当然会发生，但这证实了这一点)。
续航里程和充电时间是电动汽车最大的缺点。
It will also have to be efficient and inexpensive. That's not been shown by the above.
它还必须是高效和廉价的，上面没有显示出来。
Rapid charging would be great for protecting large lines from wind turbines.
Rapid charging, large scale storage, and rapid response to steep increases in wind speed.
快速充电可以很好地保护大型线路免受风力涡轮机的影响。
快速充电、大规模存储以及对风速急剧增加的快速响应。
Not many technical details provided..... I still believe ICE vehicles will dominate the global automotive market at least for another 50 years.... oil is plenty, fuel is cheap and emissions control technology is improving so not financially viable to switch to EV for the final consumer
没有提供很多技术细节.....我仍然相信ICE（内燃机）汽车将主导全球汽车市场至少50年....石油充足，燃料便宜，排放控制技术正在改善，因此对于最终消费者来说，转向电动汽车在优德棋牌官方下载上是不可行的
I disagree. With the battery cost curve it means that EVs should be equivalent price to ICE vehicles in about 6 years (some companies are going faster, some will go slower). Consumers in developed countries will probably stop buying ice vehicles in the 2030s and I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches 75% of sales. EVs will be cleaner, cheaper, less noisy, more reliable, and more practical(except road trips). Some people will still buy ICE but vast majority will not.
我不同意。根据电池成本曲线，这意味着电动汽车在大约6年内的价格应该与ICE（内燃机）汽车相当(有些公司走得更快，有些会走得更慢)。到本世纪30年代，发达国家的消费者可能会停止购买ice汽车，如果它的销量达到75%，我也不会感到惊讶。电动汽车将更清洁、更便宜、噪音更小、更可靠、更实用(公路旅行除外)。有些人仍然会买ICE汽车，但绝大多数人不会。
EVs will be cheaper to buy and run in just a few years. Not to mention faster and more reliable. Plus more and more countries are planning to ban the sale of ICE vehicles by 2030 or so. Your prediction will not age well.
几年后，电动汽车将更便宜地购买和运行。更不用说更快更可靠了。此外，越来越多的国家计划在2030年左右禁止销售ICE车辆。你的预测不会过时。
We can't afford another 50 years of traditional combustion engines. The clock is ticking to fend off the worst effects from climate change, and we aren't off to a great start.
我们负担不起再使用50年的传统内燃机了。要抵御气候变化的最坏影响，时间紧迫，但我们并没有取得一个好的开端。
Toyota has fuck it money as well as two decades of prius hybrid battery usage data, I think those two combined really put them well ahead in terms of development of a more efficient EV system. But seriously the amount of money they make year over year compared to other manufacturers is ridiculous.
丰田他妈的有钱，还有20年的普锐斯混合动力电池使用数据，我认为这两个结合在一起真的让他们在开发更高效的电动汽车系统方面遥遥领先。但说真的，与其他制造商相比，他们每年赚的钱实在是太多了。
Lots of armchair experts in here, everything is vaporware until it isnt.
这里有许多纸上谈兵的专家，一切事情在变成现实之前都是虚无缥缈的。